Ka Sail 2018

windalchemist · **Posté:** 07 Nov 2017, 08:39

Déjà reçues à Ouistreham par le boss himself! En plus avec trois jours sans vent on a pu prendre le temps de les régler au poil

Les nouvelles race ont un creux plus marqué, plus bas et ont un feeling un peu plus raide sur l'eau que les anciennes (c'est mon impression mais ça s'estompera peut-être en les usant). Les panneaux du bas ne sont plus en tramé mais en monofilm jaune, dommage pour la longévité car ça marque plus... Les finitions sont plus poussées, la voile est un peu plus légère.
Les cambers paraissent identiques mais on été revus pour que la rotation soit meilleure avec un angle plus adéquat entre le cam et le bout de la latte. Effectivement sur l'eau ça passe comme une lettre trempée dans de l'huile de pépin de raisin à la poste.

Cette année j'ai fait le choix de tout passer en rdm, et en utilisant les bons cambers la différence avec le sdm n'est pas flagrante! ce qui me confirme dans ce choix

Niveau départ planing il faut plus abattre, les voiles demandent un peu plus d'engagement en étant plus nerveuses mais en contrepartie les accélérations sont plus nettes dans les rafales.

Pour ceux que ça intéresse pour le rdm je mettrai le détail des réglages au fur et à mesure, pour l'instant je vous donne ça rapidos:
camber 1 = celui du bas, camber 4 = celui de la tête
pour les Spacers Ka (les même que l'année dernière), il y en a des épais et des plus fins qui ont moitié moins d'épaisseur, ils sont fournis avec les voiles en théorie. A part sur les koncept ça fait quelques plis dans le fourreau. Pour les lattes, pour que la chute soit harmonieuse je détend pas mal les deux dernières du haut.

7.9 RACE - 460 rdm KA
cambers RDM = 1 (2 gros spacers) , 2 (1 et demi) , 3 (1 spacer)
cambers SDM = 4 (0 spacer)

7.1 RACE - 460 rdm KA
cambers SDM = 1, 2, 3, 4 (il me semble)

6.2 KONCEPT - 430 rdm KA
cambers RDM = 1, 2, 3

5.4 KONCEPT - 400 rdm KA
cambers RDM montés à l'usine de base
1 spacer sur le un

Les kamikaze ont une chute retravaillée pour plus de souplesse, je n'ai pas encore trop regardé le détail.
Photos persos à venir, en attendant j'ai trouvé ça sur le net:
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giu · **Inscription:** 15 Fév 2006, 15:15 **Messages:** 1355

First session with the new 8.7

Wind: 13-20 kts (side)
Water surface: almost flat
Board: Mistral SL 137
Fins: cl2 44 - z 40
Mast: Reptile GM 490 ft
Extension: +18

Sail is lighter than 2016 and a bit more direct. You feel it straight away. Much less tiringsome as you have now less "top swing". The swap from xply to monofilm in the area below the boom makes for a sail more reactive. Now it's easier to set it full (belly) as the Race show a bit more luff round in the bottom section and a leech more twisted. I'd say power is slightly more compared to the old model and works differently. First feeling is that i now can fly downwind flat out being no worried to "kill" the power. It's like the sail doesn't "fall" on the board deck getting stalled because you have pulled the back hand too much. You're "ON" most of the time. Planning and acceleration are both very good as the sail is very easy to punp onto planning mode. It's always a Ka sails, so you'll find the classic Ka feeling. Easiness and "autotrimming" sail. You have not to work out the strong gusts as the sail let them filling in and exhausts always the right amount of excess wind. It sounds normal but, in my experience, it's not really usual... You can sail always to the max as the stance is rarely disturbed. Cam rotation is really better now (but i still have to better set the battens tension). The combination of lighter weight, more leech twist and new cams makes for a really new level gybe experience. Draft is locked just in front of the fore arm. To me it's great to have a good back hand pull that is never too much. When it was 18-20 kts the sail never "pumped" and stayed always composed. So far I'm happy.

windalchemist

première session avec la koncept 6.2 2018 en rdm, c'est vraiment l'énorme pied pour des nav' freeride/freerace j'adore

la voile marche le mieux dans les rafales au largue, (normal c'est encore un modèle speed dans cette taille) rhaaaaaa que c'est bon les accélérations sont vraiment sympas! Moins performante au près, (c'est moins fait pour) mais on arrive à remonter sans problème. Pas trop trop de coffre à vraiment bas régime, mais à moyen/haut régime c'est juste mortel de facilité et de sensations. Au jibe en rdm c'est toujours bien agréable, bref facilité et sensations

(désolé pour l'enthousiasme ça faisait un moment que je ne m'étais pas éclaté sur l'eau comme ça en matos de slalom

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il faut faire attention de bien garder du creux et de ne pas trop faire dégueuler la voile pour garder du contrôle sur les flotteurs de slalom en revanche, surtout quand le vent forcit paradoxalement (trop tirée pendant la session). En utilisation race/slalom, la voile manque d'homogénéité mais pour les nav freeride c'est vraiment chouette.
la 6.2 est plus facile à grééer que la 5.4 dont le cam du haut est assez chiant à mettre, du genre à vouloir le raccourcir pour un sdm à la place du rdm

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windalchemist · **Posté:** 18 Mar 2018, 18:13

Hello tout le monde! Petite erreur de prix dans le special test de wind.
La race 7.1 n'est pas au même prix que la north (1150€...) mais à 749€ (source: importateur ka europe idem le site web).

Sympa de voir un retour de test aussi positif bien que je sois moins d'accord sur la souplesse, mais bon je ne sais pas s'ils l'ont fait testée par des petits gabarits...

giu · **Inscription:** 15 Fév 2006, 15:15 **Messages:** 1355

Got "pas mal" of sessions with the kar 2018 (8.7 - 7.9 - 7.1 - 5.5) .
9.4 - 6.3 are 2016 model.

8.7 - In 12/13 kts it has more grunt and pull compared to the 2016 model (Mistral 137 - Angulo 135 - 44 fin) It seems any part of the surface properly works and pulls in a gentle way. I often am scared I'm getting stack while accelerating as I hardly feel the monster power of other sails, but when i look my buddies we are on par (both in freeride and racing mode). When the wind increases (14-18 kts) DH needs (with my mast) to be cranked a bit or the sail sticks too much and speed suffers. I also found that some fin lenght reduction helps A LOT there. In freeride I tested the A 135/40 and I was shocked! Pushed the 8.7 a bit higher with the M 137/40. Board is thin and sail never got down.
Rotation is very good. Sail is barely lighter (and still strong) vs 2016 .
Overall a good gain in therms of weight saving, comfort, overall performance.

7.9 - This is my "not understood" size! Maybe this season i haven't found the right pace or the right condition or the right day but I've always felt not as good as with other sizes. I know, it may sound unfair to say that but this is it. To be honest I must say my mast is a bit old and maybe too soft for this size and that's why I suffered (using the A 115) in 16-18 kts compared to my buddies. In light condition I have been mostly chasing and hardly leading. Revenge came in stronger wind, when the sail stability and softness helped me in the rough. Stability is never a problem as well as rotation. I find the DH hard to get the sweet spot.

7.1 - My most favourite 2018 size. What a hell of sail! Still, maybe I've got the right days and conditions but anytime I got used it I killed it. Grunt, pull, stability, acceleration, speed. it scores from light to strong wind (both Mistral 112 and Angulo 105). The harder the better. I'm super happy about the combination with the "no good" mast used with the 7.9!

5.5 - Used just once and for the first time since NP mk4 time!! M 91/28 in 30-40 kts. WTF!! can't realy comment as I have no much experience with such small sizes but problems came not from the sail! After a small time to get used I found the same feeling of the 7.1 . Can't wait for more of those sessions!

i often hear folks on the beach telling my sails are not super belly or pumped like their ones. Yes, probably it's right, but once in the water i see no huge differences in the final result. Any of different brand has its own feeling, pros and contras and (almost) everything works. it depends by the sailor ability and confidence on his stuff.
I would recommend the Kar to good level performance lovers, who want no fight with the stuff to be fast anytime and who wants save their backs from pain! Very good in LD because of its stable and soft touch. You save a lot of energy and push the pedal to the metal anytime, whatever the water is. In slalom you would go always overpowered in flat water as it never affects the ride (BTW, the Kar tends to stabize the board trim). When it's rough you can rely in the good pull and play the opposite game (smaller size). Great ability to cross the lulls.

Venum · **Posté:** 19 Oct 2018, 12:41

Comment se situent les "karace" en terme de performances et feeling par rapport à ma pryde evo4 ?
Je cherche à remplacer ma 7.0 qui fatigue...
Les ka passent-elles bien sur mat amex 460 raptor dropshape?
Je m'intéresse aux 7.1 2016 , 2017, 2018
Merci

giu · **Inscription:** 15 Fév 2006, 15:15 **Messages:** 1355

Hallo,
Before my first ka race season (2016) I used both evo 6 and 7.
I pretty much liked the evo 7 (which mostly used with old x9 masts). They were softer than Loft but with a steady power. Super good wind range and easy to sail. That wasn’t the case when I tested them with the FLX 100. Sails got much physical and required a lot of engagement to pull out the best from the sail. For sure they were super agreeable in the low mid range. Gybes were “for men”.

Said that I would say the Kar, still rigged with x9, remind (with small differences according with MY) the np feeling but with its own personality.
Good pumpiping ability to get onto planning. Self trim sail while sailing. Gentle but steady smooth power. Correct amount of back hand. Neutral foiling ride (it doesn’t over lift or push down the board nose). Good stability when overpowered. Super agreeable in the rough as the sail absorbs the strong gusts and stabilizes the board. It can be rigged with many different masts as it has not a lot of luff round.
It may fools you when non properly powered up. You may feel a bit a lack of power in the hands but it’s just the feeling. Mandatory in that case rise up the boom and be careful with dh setting. Maybe not as light as np but FOR SURE super strong and quality built sail.

Hope this helps

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