Windfoilfan:

"Pas plus tard qu’hier, la PWA s’est résolue à séparer les circuits aileron et foil pour ne pas voir l’aileron disparaître. Sans cette décision, il y a fort à parier que le slalom traditionnel aurait tout simplement disparu des radars dans les moins à venir. De façon corollaire avec cette décision, l’association des professionnels du Windsurf (PWA) a également décidé de réduire la quantité de matériel autorisé pour les coureurs, avec un flotteur unique pour la saison en foil, et deux flotteurs pour le slalom aileron. "

Please find attached the registration forms for the registration of the 2024 slalom boards.

For Slalom Boards the following details, for each model / size registered, must be submitted by 15th December 2023:


PWA Registration form with at least the first page completed.
Either pages 2 and 3 of the PWA Registration form must be completed OR COBRA specification for insert and outline specs.
Images or graphics files for the top and bottom of the boards
Proof of 20 items of each model registered, produced and ready to ship.
Slalom boards of 80 litre volume and less must provide proof of 10 items of each model registered, produced and ready to ship prior to the registration deadline.
Slalom boards to be used only with foils that are over 85cm wide must provide proof of 10 items of each model registered, produced and ready to ship prior to the registration deadline.
Slalom boards to be used only with foils may be up to 91cm wide. Slalom boards to be used with fin or foil must be no wider than 85cm wide.



Boards registered which are no wider than 85cm wide, may be used with Fin or Foil in the Slalom discipline, but boards over 85 cm wide, may only be used with Foil.

Competitors may register 1 board in total for use in the foil slalom discipline.

Competitors may register 2 boards in total for use in the fin slalom discipline.

If boards are equipped with the capability of adding any standard accessories to the hull of the board that affect the board in a way that changes the hull shape of the board or the way that the board interacts with the water, such as but not limited to plates that fit into the cut outs or onto the deck around the waterline, then these accessories and their method of attachment to the board must also be registered along with the board. Any such accessories when fitted must not exceed the maximum permitted dimensions.

For each such accessory or set of accessories, the following details must be submitted:

The position, fittings and method of attachment built into the board, such as any screw holes or plugs or other any other facility built into the board to allow the accessory to be attached.
The shape, width, height and depth of the accessory in all significant planes of measurement and particularly at any point where the accessory interacts with the water.
The position, fittings and method of attachment of the accessory
An image of the accessory, both attached to the board and in isolation


In addition, any such accessory must be available either shipped with the board as standard or to purchase through retail outlets to any person wishing to do so.

For clarification, there is no restriction on the use of different fins and foot straps which may be changed at the sailor’s discretion. However, the addition of nonstandard deck pads, moving fin boxes or foot strap inserts or replacing them with non-standard versions shall not be permitted.

Additionally:

• All equipment registered for use on the PWA tour must be included in the publicly marketed and available ranges of products listed by the brand and must be published online on the official international website of the brand by January 1st of the first season in which the equipment is registered for use.
• Registered equipment must be available commercially during the season in which it is first registered for use, no later than 30th April
• Equipment which is restricted to sponsored riders and team members and is not marketed and available to buy shall be prohibited and shall be removed from the lists of registered equipment even if it has been otherwise correctly registered.

The final decision on whether to permit any item of equipment or any attached accessory shall be at the discretion of the protest committee who may prohibit the use of any item if it breaches the rules or if they feel it is an attempt to significantly alter the performance of the board or sail in question from its intended design.



Kind regards


The PWA


Professional Windsurfers Association
http://www.pwaworldtour.com

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Dear Foil Manufacturers

Please find attached the registration forms for the registration of the 2024 Foil equipment.

For Foils, the following details, for each model registered, must be submitted by 15th December 2023

PWA Foil Registration form completed.

· Exact 1:1 outline diagram of the front wing shape including measurements.

· Exact 1:1 outline diagram of the rear wing shape including measurements.

· Exact 1:1 cross section diagram of the front wing at 10cm from the centreline

· Exact 1:1 cross section diagram of the front wing at 30cm from the centreline

Please complete all measurements on the registration form. You may note them on the diagram, but the diagram is only to aid measurements, the final measurements must be entered on the form and only the measurements entered on the form will be used in any scrutiny of equipment.

Each form / worksheet must only include measurements for up to one complete set of foils. For additional components in different sizes and shapes, additional forms or worksheets must be completed but you do not need to repeat measurements for components used in each version (for example masts and fuselages that have already been registered on a different form).

Brands / manufacturers may only register foils comprising components designed and produced by the brand who is registering the foil(s) and may not register component parts designed and produced by other brands.

Sailors may only register foils that are made up from the component parts registered by a single brand and may not mix and match parts from different foil registrations of different brands.

For 2024 riders will be permitted to register 1 set of foil components consisting of 1 mast, 2 fuselage, 3 front wings and 2 rear wings. They will register their relevant equipment at their first event of the season and will continue to use the same equipment for the entire season.

No minimum quantities are required to be produced, but foils must be commercially available to buy.

For 2024, foil brands will be required to become members of the PWA in order to register foils for use on the PWA Tour.

Additionally:


• All equipment registered for use on the PWA tour must be included in the publicly marketed and available ranges of products listed by the brand and must be published online on the official international website of the brand by January 1st of the first season in which the equipment is registered for use.

• Registered equipment must be available commercially during the season in which it is first registered for use, no later than 30th April

• Equipment which is restricted to sponsored riders and team members and is not marketed and available to buy shall be prohibited and shall be removed from the lists of registered equipment even if it has been otherwise correctly registered.


The final decision on whether to permit any item of equipment or any attached accessory shall be at the discretion of the protest committee who may prohibit the use of any item if it breaches the rules or if they feel it is an attempt to significantly alter the performance of the board or sail in question from its intended design.

Kind regards,

The PWA

Professional Windsurfers Association

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Thank you.

What about sails?

Any chance to detail about racing format (mixed or split eliminations? Mixed or split events? Single discipline events? Championship/s?

Thanks

La pwa ouvre donc la porte à une planche mixte qui pourrait être enregistrée en fin. Donc on n'est pas tout à fait sur une formule 2+1 mais plutôt 1+2 pour les petits malins qui vont enregistrer une Foil 78 dans la catégorie fin
D'ailleurs je ne sais pas quelles seront les stratégies de ceux qui visent uniquement le titre Foil...

Si je mets en parallele les ecrits de Nico dans l'autre sujet avec les regles ci dessous, on dirait qu'ils ont serre la vis non?

"Additionally:

• All equipment registered for use on the PWA tour must be included in the publicly marketed and available ranges of products listed by the brand and must be published online on the official international website of the brand by January 1st of the first season in which the equipment is registered for use.
• Registered equipment must be available commercially during the season in which it is first registered for use, no later than 30th April
• Equipment which is restricted to sponsored riders and team members and is not marketed and available to buy shall be prohibited and shall be removed from the lists of registered equipment even if it has been otherwise correctly registered."

Rien de nouveau, c’était déjà rédigé comme ca auparavant.
Quoi qu’il en soit, les deux disciplines seront séparées tant dans les classements que dans l’enregistrement du matos. Aucun vase communiquant entre les deux donc pas de coup à jouer en perspective.
Dans une optique performance, je ne vois pas comment on pourrait concilier planche de Foil et planche d’aileron quoi qu’il en soit. Sur les voiles, il y aurait peut être quelque chose à réfléchir qui reste tolérable en performance pour les deux pratiques mais pour les planches je n’y crois pas.

Oui, j’ai demandé confirmation à Rich et c’est vraiment pour éviter le genre de situation que l’on a vu avec starboard, Z (pour du matos vraiment ultra réservé aux sponso du team), Patrick dans une moindre mesure, Phantom (où le matos est arrivé un peu plus tard qu’en avril), Neilpryde Foil qui ont des ailes en mini série dispo nulle part ailleurs, etc etc. La liste est longue.

C’est une bonne chose de cadrer un peu les choses si l’on veut rester sur du matos de série je trouve.

Matos de série ou proto, la question est valable, je suis d’accord. Mais dans le cas présent, où le matos est du matos de série, c’est bien de cadrer.

100% d'accord.

Bon cela dit si ils pouvaient repasser les competes FS en matos libre ce serait bien. Les mecs n'auront pas 10 planches de toute facon et le pequin moyen ne navigerait pas sur des planches pas forcement aussi tolerantes qu'elles ne pourraient l'etre.

Si je peux me permettre Nico, puisqu'on est à discuter de la dispo du matos, je ne doute pas que Phantom aura enregistré le matériel et publié la dispo sur son site au 1er janvier 2024. MAIS puisqu'on est sur des pièces limitées (40 pour la nouvelle Infinite 86 si je ne dis pas de bêtises), on flirte quand même avec la règle du "must be available commercially during the season in which it is first registered for use, no later than 30th April", non ?

ca sonne parfois comme du proto de série.....

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When the data drops, the bullsh!t stops !

planches 44 - 54 - 62hs
voiles Point7 5.0 - 5.6 - 6.2 - 7.1

Le marché est très étroit.
Je ne pense pas que Z ait vendu 3 000 foils non plus, surtout que sur le site c'est sur devis question prix/dispo. Et les délais sont plutôt longs donc c'est de la dispo sans être dispo.
Mais c'est un choix, j'en ai parlé sur un autre fil: soit tu ne veux que de la série et tu fixes des règles de production que seules les grandes marques pourront tenir, soit tu fais jouer tout le monde mais tu acceptes les mini-séries à la limite du prototype et qui ne seront pas disponibles pour un large public.
Sachant de toutes façons qu'il n'y a pas de large public pour ces produits.

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Sailworks Flyer 8.2 / Phantom Iris X 6.6 / Gun Torro 4-5-6

Tu as tout dit !

Combien de mecs font du slalom foil en France ? 20 ? 50 ? 100 ?

Et dans le Monde ? On monte à 1000 ?

Ce n'est vraiment pas un marché, surtout s'il faut produire des quantités mini, prêtes à êtres vendues (emballées...) avant le 1er avril.

Dans la pratique, ces règles sont inapplicables et invérifiables.

La PWA va faire le tour de tous les stocks, de toutes les usines, pour compter les planches ?

Qui va le faire à la PWA ? Ils sont 3 et demi, dont 2 scotchés à Maui...

Autant assumer que c'est du proto et basta !

Les pros bricolent autant qu'ils veulent toute l'année pour aller plus vite.

et comme ça, le "client", s'il y en a, aura un produit "PWA approved" l'année suivante en série...

Qu'on aime ou pas le foil, la vérité c'est que lorsque tu regardes l'aileron, comparé au foil, c'est devenu ennuyeux
Les courses foil sont beaucoup plus excitantes, les gamelles plus impressionnantes... C'est l'évolution !
Pour moi l'aileron c'est tiré une balles dans le pied a vouloir conserver des règles comme le product only

Vous voulez relancer l'aileron?! Faut refaire des parcours hyper X (je crois que c'est comme cela que ça s'appelait) ça c'est excitant !!
Le slalom est mort, on a atteint un plafond. Lorsqu'on atteint un plafond ça évolue et l'évolution c'est le foil

As I already wrote in w33, I agree that the fin cannot provide a show comparable to the foil if the conditions are not extreme.
Even though I can remember so many great moments, I can't help but think of those endless hours watching the sailors repeat the heats or the habitual boredom of the first part of the single eliminayions.
As far as I'm concerned, mixed racing is absolutely capable of offering exciting moments (Fuerte 2023), and therefore of being a necessary asset for the "sale of the show" (which, in my opinion, should be more important than the sale of the material to a audience that is decreasing rather than growing!).
However, with a view to optimizing resources and to enhance and protect the PWA brand, I believe that "mixed racing" should be offered ONLY IN HARD CORE CONDITIONS, in which the fin has the possibility of playing some wild cards.
I find it senseless to split fleets. You will see that old problems will become relevant again...
I also find it senseless to change the race format (introducing any super X and similar).
The practice of slalom (whether in foil or fin) cannot be disgraced with circus acts...